Comments on: Should the Church in America Bless Israel? A New Covenant Perspective http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ruth http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/#comment-5858 ruth Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:16:25 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/?p=1285#comment-5858 """Those enemies aren’t Palestinians friend. Those enemies are those who did not do will of the Father."""" Palestinians have never done the will of god.. As for the jewish people Jesus promised he would restore the kingdom to them..He never ever promised that to palestinians or other allah worshippers...These being the true unbeleivers was promised delusion and damnation..... You have to be blind stupid and uninformed to not know muslims have been waging war against Israel and christians for 1400 years..and blamed their victims as they go.. As for you personally Jesus said the entire world would be deceived all but the elect of Christ.. you better repent and be quick about it.. it is almost fnished.. Islam is spawned of satan and is a lie to lead people away from Jesus who contrary to your belief is THE ONLY WAY BACK TO GOD and his name is not allah... “”"Those enemies aren’t Palestinians friend. Those enemies are those who did not do will of the Father.”"”"

Palestinians have never done the will of god..

As for the jewish people Jesus promised he would restore the kingdom to them..He never ever promised that to palestinians or other allah worshippers…These being the true unbeleivers was promised delusion and damnation…..
You have to be blind stupid and uninformed to not know muslims have been waging war against Israel and christians for 1400 years..and blamed their victims as they go..

As for you personally Jesus said the entire world would be deceived all but the elect of Christ.. you better repent and be quick about it.. it is almost fnished..

Islam is spawned of satan and is a lie to lead people away from Jesus who contrary to your belief is THE ONLY WAY BACK TO GOD and his name is not allah…

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By: Doug W http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/#comment-5815 Doug W Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:56:25 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/?p=1285#comment-5815 Hmmmmmm. To bless the nation of Isreal, or not to. Decisions, decisions. All these fancy theological arguments that I am just not smart enough to refute. BUT, I am smart enough to use my own head and check things out. Good old Google is our best friend. Seems Someone of higher Power doesn't care what you think. Why? Because every time, and I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME without exception that this nation of America has done something to curse Israel, within 24 hours, like CLOCKWORK, there followed a horrible natural disaster in this land. This has gone on without exception for years. And if you like, you can Google the charts. It's been so dependable, that you can set your watch by it. Oh, but maybe it's just a coincidence. Sure. And I'm the king of Siam. Again, every time we, as a nation, refused to take Israels side, we were hit with COSTLY, deadly, disaster, PROMPTLY. Now who sits on the throne? But, be that as it may, I am going to give this a fair chance and find out for myself. I'll find out once and for all if blessing is Israel results in a blessing in my own life. As I was praying fervently last night, I asked the Lord for a way out of this load of personal debt that is on my shoulders. When I walked into work this morning, amazingly, someone handed me a magazine that was about Israel and how individuals can bless them. There was a testimony of a pastor who's church was several million dollars in debt, but he decided to begin blessing Israel, and within a short time, all their debts were payed off supernaturally. They are totally in the clear now, and prospering and flourishing. This pastor will swear that the blessing and cursing promise is for today, and I don't think your theological arguments are going to sway him. So anyway, I am an open minded individual, so I am going to put it to the test. I am going to bless Israel with my financial support (the best I can, since I have no money to speak of.) and see what happens to my own debt burden. Remember, I'm an average guy, working one job, only working 4 days a week because of the recession, and I am struggling to keep my lights and heat on, let alone pay off my mortgage and other debts. Plus I have five mouths to feed. I have tried for years to get out from the burden of debt, and failed every time. I am chained to it, and when I try to free myself, invariably, my face gets pushed down in the mud. The debt is CRUSHING. But I'm going to do this as I feel the Spirit leading me, and I will report back here and tell you whether I was blessed or cursed for supporting the nation of Israel.. It's pretty simple. If I end up debt free, you all are wrong, and need to change your theology. If my debts still linger, then I will have to concede and change mine. Fair enough? Unless you guys are chicken... Hmmmmmm. To bless the nation of Isreal, or not to. Decisions, decisions.

All these fancy theological arguments that I am just not smart enough to refute.

BUT, I am smart enough to use my own head and check things out. Good old Google is our best friend.

Seems Someone of higher Power doesn’t care what you think. Why? Because every time, and I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME without exception that this nation of America has done something to curse Israel, within 24 hours, like CLOCKWORK, there followed a horrible natural disaster in this land. This has gone on without exception for years.

And if you like, you can Google the charts. It’s been so dependable, that you can set your watch by it.

Oh, but maybe it’s just a coincidence.

Sure. And I’m the king of Siam.

Again, every time we, as a nation, refused to take Israels side, we were hit with COSTLY, deadly, disaster, PROMPTLY.

Now who sits on the throne?

But, be that as it may, I am going to give this a fair chance and find out for myself. I’ll find out once and for all if blessing is Israel results in a blessing in my own life.

As I was praying fervently last night, I asked the Lord for a way out of this load of personal debt that is on my shoulders.

When I walked into work this morning, amazingly, someone handed me a magazine that was about Israel and how individuals can bless them. There was a testimony of a pastor who’s church was several million dollars in debt, but he decided to begin blessing Israel, and within a short time, all their debts were payed off supernaturally. They are totally in the clear now, and prospering and flourishing. This pastor will swear that the blessing and cursing promise is for today, and I don’t think your theological arguments are going to sway him.

So anyway, I am an open minded individual, so I am going to put it to the test. I am going to bless Israel with my financial support (the best I can, since I have no money to speak of.) and see what happens to my own debt burden. Remember, I’m an average guy, working one job, only working 4 days a week because of the recession, and I am struggling to keep my lights and heat on, let alone pay off my mortgage and other debts. Plus I have five mouths to feed.

I have tried for years to get out from the burden of debt, and failed every time. I am chained to it, and when I try to free myself, invariably, my face gets pushed down in the mud. The debt is CRUSHING.

But I’m going to do this as I feel the Spirit leading me, and I will report back here and tell you whether I was blessed or cursed for supporting the nation of Israel..

It’s pretty simple. If I end up debt free, you all are wrong, and need to change your theology. If my debts still linger, then I will have to concede and change mine.

Fair enough?

Unless you guys are chicken…

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/#comment-5635 lionelwoods7 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:22:57 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/?p=1285#comment-5635 Hello Rana, I think you are correct that Jesus would not equate the victim and the killer. He would actually have much to say to the killer/oppressor as our bible clealry says. You ask about Africans in America. We actually laid down our swords. We did not revolt in a violent way. If you look at the leaders who spearheaded our emacipation (not the whites but the blacks) we attempted to use our legislation. If you look at the civil rights movement it was completely peaceful. I can't say I understand much of what goes on there, though I can say I understand when a people are oppressed by those with bigger guns and governments on their side! I would also say that Jesus says this "if a man sues you for your coat give him your undergarment". Jesus also says "give to those who ask" and "if someone slaps you on the cheek, give him the other". I would hope that I would trust my Sovereign master to free me from the hands of the oppressors. Thus I will do my best to follow His method of getting others to live uprightly and for us that is the Cross. Finally I am praying for your kinsmen. I see that you are a native which means you may have loved ones in this area. My heart goes out to you and your kinsmen and my heart goes our to Israel and their kinsmen. I hope to dialouge more with you. Hello Rana,

I think you are correct that Jesus would not equate the victim and the killer. He would actually have much to say to the killer/oppressor as our bible clealry says.

You ask about Africans in America. We actually laid down our swords. We did not revolt in a violent way. If you look at the leaders who spearheaded our emacipation (not the whites but the blacks) we attempted to use our legislation. If you look at the civil rights movement it was completely peaceful.

I can’t say I understand much of what goes on there, though I can say I understand when a people are oppressed by those with bigger guns and governments on their side!

I would also say that Jesus says this “if a man sues you for your coat give him your undergarment”. Jesus also says “give to those who ask” and “if someone slaps you on the cheek, give him the other”. I would hope that I would trust my Sovereign master to free me from the hands of the oppressors. Thus I will do my best to follow His method of getting others to live uprightly and for us that is the Cross.

Finally I am praying for your kinsmen. I see that you are a native which means you may have loved ones in this area. My heart goes out to you and your kinsmen and my heart goes our to Israel and their kinsmen. I hope to dialouge more with you.

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By: tunji http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/#comment-5621 tunji Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:14:35 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/?p=1285#comment-5621 LIONEL Thanks for helping to clarify my thought on who the real ingrafted branches are.The true Israel of today are the believers in Jesus Christ. LIONEL

Thanks for helping to clarify my thought on who the real ingrafted branches are.The true Israel of today are the believers in Jesus Christ.

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By: rana http://blackandreformedministries.com/2009/01/06/should-the-church-in-america-bless-israel-a-new-covenant-perspective/#comment-5617 rana Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:20:24 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/?p=1285#comment-5617 dear lionel, you say "That answer is Jesus of whom both those of Israel and Palestine reject", who told you palestanians reject Jesus, well moslims beleive in, respect, and love all prophets including Jesus, this part of our faith. and you say"Both parties are equally wicked, both are fighting for a parcel of land that will be leveled at the second coming of our Lord", you talk about Jesus, well let me tell you about Jesus, Jesus would never make a killer and a victim equals, Israel has a major power, the world's support, while palestianians have missiles that are home made.. Israeli's are living in the land they violently and oppressively took from palestanians, and palestanians have the right to get back their land. if someone took your house without any right, will you set back without doing nothing or you will jump to take back your rights, by law at first, but if there's no law, then you will think about other tricks.. if you want to know Isreali's, you can see an example of what they have done to the palestanians now happening in Gaza, they are killed now over 660 people, many are children and women, so it's easy for you to say: let us live like brothers and sisters. while Hamas missiles Israeli's are terrified from, have killed 4 isreali's, and one is a soldier.. and a last question to you, how did you black people gain your liberty from the white people? thank you dear lionel,
you say “That answer is Jesus of whom both those of Israel and Palestine reject”, who told you palestanians reject Jesus, well moslims beleive in, respect, and love all prophets including Jesus, this part of our faith.

and you say”Both parties are equally wicked, both are fighting for a parcel of land that will be leveled at the second coming of our Lord”, you talk about Jesus, well let me tell you about Jesus, Jesus would never make a killer and a victim equals, Israel has a major power, the world’s support, while palestianians have missiles that are home made.. Israeli’s are living in the land they violently and oppressively took from palestanians, and palestanians have the right to get back their land. if someone took your house without any right, will you set back without doing nothing or you will jump to take back your rights, by law at first, but if there’s no law, then you will think about other tricks..
if you want to know Isreali’s, you can see an example of what they have done to the palestanians now happening in Gaza, they are killed now over 660 people, many are children and women, so it’s easy for you to say: let us live like brothers and sisters. while Hamas missiles Israeli’s are terrified from, have killed 4 isreali’s, and one is a soldier..
and a last question to you, how did you black people gain your liberty from the white people?
thank you

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