Comments on: Final Post: If It Is Yours Then Ask For a Key http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Randy http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/#comment-3842 Randy Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:54:54 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-3842 The following "Question" was asked of John MacArthur Jr., the pastor of Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California. Copyright 2001 by John MacArthur Jr., All Rights Reserved. Question Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn? Answer Two kinds of giving are taught consistently throughout Scripture: giving to the government (always compulsory), and giving to God (always voluntary). The issue has been greatly confused, however, by some who misunderstand the nature of the Old Testament tithes. Tithes were not primarily gifts to God, but taxes for funding the national budget in Israel. Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levitical priests acted as the civil government. So the Levite's tithe (Leviticus 27:30-33) was a precursor to today's income tax, as was a second annual tithe required by God to fund a national festival (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). Smaller taxes were also imposed on the people by the law (Leviticus 19:9-10; Exodus 23:10-11). So the total giving required of the Israelites was not 10 percent, but well over 20 percent. All that money was used to operate the nation. All giving apart from that required to run the government was purely voluntary (cf. Exodus 25:2; 1 Chronicles 29:9). Each person gave whatever was in his heart to give; no percentage or amount was specified. New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Matthew 22:15-22 and Romans 13:1-7 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government. Interestingly enough, we in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government--a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel. The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: "Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver." Now you come to 2 Corinthians, chapter eight, and you learn how the church gave. The church knew there was a need so the church gave. How did they give? Well, it wasn't 10%, it says, "The churches in Macedonia, 2Cor 8:1, gave abundantly out of deep poverty. It says that their deep poverty abounded to the riches of their liberality." Here was a very poor church in Macedonia, very poor, but they gave generously, out of their hearts liberally. In fact, verse three says, they gave beyond their ability. They gave more than they should have given--more then they could of given, and the reason they did that was in verse five, because they first gave themselves. I mean when you give yourself then everything you have belongs to the Lord. So, Paul is saying to the Corinthians, "If you want a lesson in giving, look at these people--out of deep poverty they gave everything they had." In fact, they gave more then they should of, but they did that because they had already given themselves to the Lord. Now you have the key motive in giving; what is the right motive in giving? It is not to get anything. It is in that whole hearted abandonment, "they gave everything." Thanks Randy The following “Question” was asked of John MacArthur Jr., the pastor of Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California. Copyright 2001 by John MacArthur Jr., All Rights Reserved.

Question

Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn?
Answer

Two kinds of giving are taught consistently throughout Scripture: giving to the government (always compulsory), and giving to God (always voluntary).

The issue has been greatly confused, however, by some who misunderstand the nature of the Old Testament tithes. Tithes were not primarily gifts to God, but taxes for funding the national budget in Israel.

Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levitical priests acted as the civil government. So the Levite’s tithe (Leviticus 27:30-33) was a precursor to today’s income tax, as was a second annual tithe required by God to fund a national festival (Deuteronomy 14:22-29). Smaller taxes were also imposed on the people by the law (Leviticus 19:9-10; Exodus 23:10-11). So the total giving required of the Israelites was not 10 percent, but well over 20 percent. All that money was used to operate the nation.

All giving apart from that required to run the government was purely voluntary (cf. Exodus 25:2; 1 Chronicles 29:9). Each person gave whatever was in his heart to give; no percentage or amount was specified.

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Matthew 22:15-22 and Romans 13:1-7 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government. Interestingly enough, we in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government–a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel.

The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: “Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Now you come to 2 Corinthians, chapter eight, and you learn how the church gave. The church knew there was a need so the church gave. How did they give? Well, it wasn’t 10%, it says, “The churches in Macedonia, 2Cor 8:1, gave abundantly out of deep poverty. It says that their deep poverty abounded to the riches of their liberality.” Here was a very poor church in Macedonia, very poor, but they gave generously, out of their hearts liberally. In fact, verse three says, they gave beyond their ability. They gave more than they should have given–more then they could of given, and the reason they did that was in verse five, because they first gave themselves. I mean when you give yourself then everything you have belongs to the Lord. So, Paul is saying to the Corinthians, “If you want a lesson in giving, look at these people–out of deep poverty they gave everything they had.” In fact, they gave more then they should of, but they did that because they had already given themselves to the Lord. Now you have the key motive in giving; what is the right motive in giving? It is not to get anything. It is in that whole hearted abandonment, “they gave everything.”

Thanks Randy

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/#comment-3771 lionelwoods7 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:34:03 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-3771 Ricdarula, Can you post what I have put here that is judgmental or unbiblical? Thanks. Ricdarula,

Can you post what I have put here that is judgmental or unbiblical? Thanks.

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By: ricdarula http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/#comment-3769 ricdarula Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:06:25 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-3769 Are we to return wrong with wrong? God forbid. You are smarter and more intelligent than that. Those that are in error need to be delivered of such, and Lionel you should be one of the vessels that lead the way. Are we to return wrong with wrong? God forbid. You are smarter and more intelligent than that. Those that are in error need to be delivered of such, and Lionel you should be one of the vessels that lead the way.

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/#comment-3768 lionelwoods7 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:55:08 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-3768 Ricdarula, You said: Brother…first off the bat…I love you, and I love the post! But you need to chill with the prideful and condescending attitude. Iwill take that in to considersations next time someone calls another believer cursed and that they have robbed God by not paying their membership dues! Ricdarula,

You said:

Brother…first off the bat…I love you, and I love the post! But you need to chill with the prideful and condescending attitude.

Iwill take that in to considersations next time someone calls another believer cursed and that they have robbed God by not paying their membership dues!

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By: ricdarula http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/10/01/final-post-if-it-is-yours-then-ask-for-a-key/#comment-3767 ricdarula Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:48:53 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-3767 Brother...first off the bat...I love you, and I love the post! But you need to chill with the prideful and condescending attitude. The scripture teaches us that if you are indeed on point with something, with meekness, you are to correct your fellow brotheren. Remember, unless you are Jesus, you are not perfect on all scriptural exegesis either. How would you like for someone to vehemently bash and mock you for scriptual errors you currently have? We should all be helpers and correctors of one another with a humble spirit. Being vainglorious is counter productive. Truly indeed, it is our intention that all come to the knowledge of the truth, correct? So why turn people off to the point that they don't hear truth? Brother…first off the bat…I love you, and I love the post! But you need to chill with the prideful and condescending attitude. The scripture teaches us that if you are indeed on point with something, with meekness, you are to correct your fellow brotheren. Remember, unless you are Jesus, you are not perfect on all scriptural exegesis either. How would you like for someone to vehemently bash and mock you for scriptual errors you currently have? We should all be helpers and correctors of one another with a humble spirit. Being vainglorious is counter productive. Truly indeed, it is our intention that all come to the knowledge of the truth, correct? So why turn people off to the point that they don’t hear truth?

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