Comments on: Tear Down the Pulpit and Women Teaching Becomes A Different Discussion http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: joseph hernendez http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/#comment-4434 joseph hernendez Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:03:40 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=726#comment-4434 I think that women should be allowd to be leaders in the church if the lord leads them to do so . But what if you get someone in a church like Dennis Swift pastor of church of all nations in portland oregon who comes in claiming God whated him to have this church. But Gossips and lies about members of his church behind there backs,decieves his people has no elders so they can't fire him far anything he has been fined 6,000 dollers by a company in portland and pushes blame to someone else so he don't have to pay or have something on his record. He wants to be spotless and blameless, but we all fall short of the glory. This pastor Dennis Swift just wants power, power, power and control over everyone. I found out anyone who does not submit to him gets kicked out and no one is aloud to have contact with them agian this is so wrong joseph I think that women should be allowd to be leaders in the church if the lord leads them to do so .
But what if you get someone in a church like Dennis Swift pastor of church of all nations in portland oregon who comes in claiming God whated him to have this church.
But Gossips and lies about members of his church behind there backs,decieves his people has no elders so they can’t fire him far anything he has been fined 6,000 dollers by a company in portland and pushes blame to someone else so he don’t have to pay or have something on his record.
He wants to be spotless and blameless, but we all fall short of the glory.
This pastor Dennis Swift just wants power, power, power and control over everyone.
I found out anyone who does not submit to him gets kicked out and no one is aloud to have contact with them agian
this is so wrong

joseph

]]> By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/#comment-3087 lionelwoods7 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:57:54 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=726#comment-3087 Daniel, I wasn't igoring what you said, just trying to pray through and remain faithful to the scriptures. Daniel,

I wasn’t igoring what you said, just trying to pray through and remain faithful to the scriptures.

]]> By: Like a Mustard Seed http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/#comment-3013 Like a Mustard Seed Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:22:07 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=726#comment-3013 Thank you Hutch, your last line sums up perfectly what I was trying to say. I'm realizing that it is a relatively easy thing for us to rid ourselves of handing out titles, assigning offices, and designating certain people as having official "leadership" capacities. Institutionalized hiearchy is fairly simple to dismantle. It is a far more difficult thing to dismantle the mindsets that have been developed during may years that were spent in those hierarchical systems we are now attempting to leave behind. It is hard for many of us to just see leadership as simply being an example to others of what a life that belongs to Jesus looks like. - Daniel Thank you Hutch, your last line sums up perfectly what I was trying to say.

I’m realizing that it is a relatively easy thing for us to rid ourselves of handing out titles, assigning offices, and designating certain people as having official “leadership” capacities. Institutionalized hiearchy is fairly simple to dismantle.

It is a far more difficult thing to dismantle the mindsets that have been developed during may years that were spent in those hierarchical systems we are now attempting to leave behind. It is hard for many of us to just see leadership as simply being an example to others of what a life that belongs to Jesus looks like. – Daniel

]]> By: Hutch http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/#comment-3009 Hutch Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:04:09 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=726#comment-3009 Daniel & Lionel- Regarding elders our positions are similar if not the same, but I am still stuck/undecided on the issue that Daniel raises and that I mentioned above: "I am wondering if we get rid of an unbiblical pulpit, fully embrace the priesthood of the believer, rightly interpret 1 Timothy 2:5-15 and I Corinthians 14:34-36, and get back to exemplary eldership not Gentile authoritarianism, do the verses that speak of elders make it crystal clear that it excludes women?" I am leaning towards the answer that if eldership is exemplary and a function of maturity and not office/authority then it really is a non-issue. Daniel & Lionel-

Regarding elders our positions are similar if not the same, but I am still stuck/undecided on the issue that Daniel raises and that I mentioned above:

“I am wondering if we get rid of an unbiblical pulpit, fully embrace the priesthood of the believer, rightly interpret 1 Timothy 2:5-15 and I Corinthians 14:34-36, and get back to exemplary eldership not Gentile authoritarianism, do the verses that speak of elders make it crystal clear that it excludes women?”

I am leaning towards the answer that if eldership is exemplary and a function of maturity and not office/authority then it really is a non-issue.

]]> By: Like a Mustard Seed http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/09/06/tear-down-the-pulpit-and-women-teaching-becomes-a-different-discussion/#comment-3006 Like a Mustard Seed Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:34:46 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.wordpress.com/?p=726#comment-3006 I'd have to agree with all you just summarized, yet I'm still not seeing anything in what you wrote about that speaks to why it is that only men would be capable of things like: maturity, humble service, discernment (identifying wolves...), life experience, biblical insight and wisdom. I don't see anything you mentioned as being intrinsically male. I will wholeheartedly say that the manner in which all of those giftings might be exercised may certainly be different depending on a person's gender, but being a man is certainly not a prerequisite for a single one of them. Maybe you could clarify for me why you think it would be.... Daniel I’d have to agree with all you just summarized, yet I’m still not seeing anything in what you wrote about that speaks to why it is that only men would be capable of things like: maturity, humble service, discernment (identifying wolves…), life experience, biblical insight and wisdom. I don’t see anything you mentioned as being intrinsically male. I will wholeheartedly say that the manner in which all of those giftings might be exercised may certainly be different depending on a person’s gender, but being a man is certainly not a prerequisite for a single one of them. Maybe you could clarify for me why you think it would be….

Daniel

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