Comments on: The New Covenant and Jeremiah 17:9

By: KATRIEL BEN YISRAEL

KATRIEL BEN YISRAEL — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:07:55 +0000

WILL THE REAL SON OF GOD PLEASE STAND UP Posted May 15th, 2008 at 02:23am WILL THE REAL SON OF GOD PLEASE STAND UP Posted April 25th, 2008 at 05:03pm THE CREATOR, (THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB. CALLED YAH SAID IN EXODUS 4:22 THAT ISRAEL WAS HIS SON, HIS FIRST BORN. (12 TRIBES) ALSO HOSEA 11:1 HE CALL HIS SON, ISRAEL OUT OF EGYPT, (12 TRIBES) JEREMIAH31:9 LAST SENTENCE (ISRAEL) IS HIS SON (12 TRIBES) ISAIAH 49:6 ISRAEL SAVIOR TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH (12 TRIBES ) CHRISTIANS ALL SAY JESUS IS GOD’S SON WHICH IS A LIE, THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE AS A FACT THAT GOD SAYS JESUS IS HIS SON, WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY IS A VOICE OUT OF THE CLOUD THAT DIDN’T IDENTIFY ITSELF SAYS THIS IS MY SON WHICH I’M WELL PLEASED, TELL THE TRUTH DON’T LIE ON GOD ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND FACE HIS JUDGEMENT. BE A TRUTHEST INSTEAD OF BEING A CHRISTIAN READ WHAT IT SAYS IN BIBLE….( A VOICE THAT DID NOT IDENTIFY ITSELF SAYS THIS IS MY SON WHICH I’M WELL PLEASED THAT’S USED FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT..) AMOS 3:7 SAYS YAH WOULD (ONLY) REVEAL HIS SECRECTS TO HIS SERVANT THE PROPHETS…(ONLY)( I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD (ONLY) MEANS) NOT GOSPEL OF DESCIPLES, OR APOSTLES, MALACHI 3:6 SAYS HE (CHANGE NOT.) THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN VALUDATE ANYTHING IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT THEY MUST QUOTE THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS, REMEMBER HE GOT THEM UP EARLY. SINCE THERE HAS BEEN MUCH RESEARCH WHY NOT LOOK UP A BOOK CALLED ISRAELITES SO-CALLED NEGROES BY BERNARD STEVEN HOOKS, THERE WERE PRIOR GODMEN, CRUCIFIED SAVIORS THAT PRE-DATE THE JESUS STORY…GODS SUCH AS HORUS, MITHRA, BAAL, ADONIS, ATYS, QUETZALCOATL, BUDDHA, KRISHNA, JUST TO NAME A FEW HAVE SAME SIMULAR JESUS STORY PREDATING JESUS BY HUNDREDS OF YEARS. YAH’S FIRST COMMANDMENT WAS TO NOT PLACE NO OTHER GOD BEFORE HIM. YOU BREAK THIS COMMANDMENT GOING INTO THE NEW TESTAMENT PUTTING JESUS THE GREEK PAGAN GOD ZESUS IN FRONT OF HIM. ISRAEL ALWAYS WENT IN TO CAPTIVITY BECAUSE THEY TRANSGRESS THE LAW, NOT BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T BELIEVE IN JESUS OR DIDN’T HAVE FAITH. THE SCRIPTURE READS HIS PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, NOT BELIEF IN A MAN. A SIN OFFERING WAS ALWAYS A BURNT OFFERING IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, ABRAHAM ATTEMPTED TO OFFER UP HIS SON ISAAC ON A ALTER, LEVITICAL PRIEST OFFERED UP SIN OFFERING BURNT OFFERING WITHOUT A BLEMISH, NOT ONE HANGING ON A STICK THAT’S BEEN BEAT UP. I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT HOPE WE CAN REASON WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS, NOT WHAT ONE BELIEVES, IS IT POSSIBLE WE CAN HAVE A OPEN FORUM WHERE OUR PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT IS TRUTH AND THE LIE, CONTACT ME ABOUT THIS FORUM IS NEEDED. CHRISTIANITY AS WE KNOW IT TODAY COMES MAINLY FROM THE TRADITIONS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, HAS THERE BEEN MUCH INVESTIGATION WHY THE CAHTOLIC PRIEST HAVE MOLESTED THE ALTER BOYS. WHICH CULTS OF CHRISTIANITY WOULD BE A GOOD ONE…BAPTIST, METHODIST, MORMON, JEHOVAH’S WITNESS, PENTECOSTAL, CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST, UNITARIAN, LUTHERAN, EAST ORTHODOX SECT, EPISCOPALIAN, PRESBYTERIAN, ANGLICAN, ROMAN CATHOLICS ( THE MESSIAH, SON OF GOD, AND SAVIOR COULD THIS BE THE PEOPLE OF YAH? ) DIDN’T THE PROPETS WARN OF JESUS IN ISAIAH 45:20 ALSO THE 44TH CHAPTER OF ISAIAH?

By: Lance

Lance — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:38:03 +0000

Bro. Lionel:

Thanks. Context is huge, and I appreciate you pointing me there.

It seems that if Jesus were referring to the legalists’ hearts in particular, he would have said, “from YOUR hearts proceed,” or perhaps, “from unredeemed hearts proceed.”

I know we would agree that the issue in context of Matthew was a group of people who believed that sin came from outside of them.

So Jesus corrected their misunderstanding by telling them that sin (in general) is birthed in the heart (a man’s inner being). (cf. James 1:14; 4:1)
(see also Mark 7:17-23, where Jesus is speaking privately to the disciples and again makes a general, rather than particular reference, after incident with the wicked legalists)

So, whether we are followers of Christ or not, the question is, “When we sin, from whence does it come?”

Is its source the same for the Christian and non-Christian, or does it change after conversion?

(Again, I do not disagree that we are new creatures in Christ, as evidenced by our changed lives. Yet we are still falling short of God’s glory while being justified freely–Rom. 3:23-24——–in glory, this will no longer be the case).

May you have a restful Saturday in preparation for the Lord’s Day.

Appreciate your kindness in the discussion.

By: lionelwoods7

lionelwoods7 — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:30:09 +0000

Read whose heart he was referring to

verse 8 “… but their hearts are far from me”

This isn’t the heart of th Christian in this context. I don’t where your evil thoughts come from but in this context he is referring to the hearts of those who are far from Him and those “who worship in vain”. Verses 1-9

By: Bro. Lawrence D.

Bro. Lawrence D. — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:19:29 +0000

Brothers,

Just as a point of reference, I think that when the scriptures speak of the mind we should not think of it as that mass of flesh (our brain) with all the electrons firing. Nor should we think of the heart as that thing pumping blood throughout our body. I think (and I could be wrong here) that this is conceptual language in keeping with phrases like “bowels of mercy”, “eyes full of adultery” and such. I mean it’s not as if you could crack open a man’s eyeball like an egg and find a bunch of little adultries in it.

By: Lance

Lance — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:53:17 +0000

So when Jesus says:
“But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person.” (Matt. 15)

Why doesn’t He say, that these things “proceed from the flesh”?

To put it another way, when I have evil thoughts as a Christian, would you say that

a) my evil thoughts come exclusively from my flesh and not my heart? (a contradiction of Jesus’ words)

b) I’m not really a Christian, because I have evil thoughts?

c) the evil thoughts come from my heart (being renewed but not yet glorified) and my flesh (which will never improve)?

(BTW: I agree with your take on Romans 7).