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	<title>Comments on: Young Black and Reformed Part II: We Skipped Over Samaria</title>
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		<title>By: lionelwoods7</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/05/06/young-black-and-reformed-part-ii-we-skipped-over-samaria/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>lionelwoods7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jim P,

I am likewise. If it were not for Shannon who gave me my first opportunity to lead a bible study and who prayed for me and helped me through my first corporate america job I wouldn't be here today. He has been a huge blessing and we are like brothers many times (geography and time keeps us apart).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jim P,</p>
<p>I am likewise. If it were not for Shannon who gave me my first opportunity to lead a bible study and who prayed for me and helped me through my first corporate america job I wouldn&#8217;t be here today. He has been a huge blessing and we are like brothers many times (geography and time keeps us apart).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pemberton</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/05/06/young-black-and-reformed-part-ii-we-skipped-over-samaria/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Pemberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lionel, you are so on the money with this! Too many people think our society is more homogeneous than what it is because they only interact with people who are like them, even on Sunday morning. Then, when they see someone from the other side of the proverbial tracks, they think, "That's not normal: they should be more like me." This thinking is so wrong and it's being exploited by the enemy to keep people on both sides of the tracks from the Kingdom.

I would add that your admonition goes both ways. Take away the economic lens of disenfranchisement and we see equally faithful people on both sides who should vie to cross the tracks in ministry. Were it not for my black brothers and sisters in Christ who ministered to me spiritually when I went through dark times of sin, I wouldn't be on the road I am today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lionel, you are so on the money with this! Too many people think our society is more homogeneous than what it is because they only interact with people who are like them, even on Sunday morning. Then, when they see someone from the other side of the proverbial tracks, they think, &#8220;That&#8217;s not normal: they should be more like me.&#8221; This thinking is so wrong and it&#8217;s being exploited by the enemy to keep people on both sides of the tracks from the Kingdom.</p>
<p>I would add that your admonition goes both ways. Take away the economic lens of disenfranchisement and we see equally faithful people on both sides who should vie to cross the tracks in ministry. Were it not for my black brothers and sisters in Christ who ministered to me spiritually when I went through dark times of sin, I wouldn&#8217;t be on the road I am today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/05/06/young-black-and-reformed-part-ii-we-skipped-over-samaria/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lionel,

Thanks for the challenge.  As a new multi-racial church in a area between Baltimore and Washington (Columbia, MD), I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful exhortation to go to Samaria.  We in the burbs can be very comfortable serving from a distance and yet God is calling us to engage all of life.  The gospel affects all of life!  God is at work!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lionel,</p>
<p>Thanks for the challenge.  As a new multi-racial church in a area between Baltimore and Washington (Columbia, MD), I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful exhortation to go to Samaria.  We in the burbs can be very comfortable serving from a distance and yet God is calling us to engage all of life.  The gospel affects all of life!  God is at work!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/05/06/young-black-and-reformed-part-ii-we-skipped-over-samaria/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is what I was trying to convey bro. I am saying the churches that currently exist in the urban environment exist for themselves and the Gospel is rarely if ever proclaimed with any great authority. There are a bunch of churches needless to say but what exactly are they conveying? I sat in a church most of my childhood and one thing is for sure, the exclusive message of Christ and my need for Him because of my inherited Sin from Adam was never conveyed. Most sermons didn't mention Christ much at all. I went a couple of years ago when I was in MI visiting and the pastor was talking about Christ suffering in Hell and fighting the devil and it was just some pure foolishness. Once again nothing about the Gospel though Christ, Hell and the Devil were the major characters in the sermon. 

That is why, though I have been challenged, I am saying we need Reformed Biblical Theology. Why? Because I believe it to be the most faithful to a Christ Centered approach to the scripture versus man and his effort. I am not looking for MDiv, PhD or any type of seminary training, but I do want to see competent men proclaiming the Good News with authority and conviction and that my friend is non-existent. As we go in share in some communities we see that people have been members of churches for years and greatly involved and don't have a clue what I mean when I ask them "what is the Gospel". Even if you don't believe it if you have spent anytime in a church this should be clear. I am not saying all Reformed church goers are Christians but they should at least understand what the Gospel is and who are the key players (The Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Adam, man and Satan) and how this all fits together. My opinion but this is my conviction.

As it relates to Samaria Christ had to explain to woman at the well by saying "God will not be worshipped on any mountain". Then proceeded to give her the Gospel. This is what are churches should be doing because computers, literacy, college, and lower crime rates still does not deal with the issue of sin, death and judgment. This is our ultimate problem and those can be venues or catalyst to help us build relationships with our communities but if we don't give them Christ and Him crucified what we did was worthless in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is what I was trying to convey bro. I am saying the churches that currently exist in the urban environment exist for themselves and the Gospel is rarely if ever proclaimed with any great authority. There are a bunch of churches needless to say but what exactly are they conveying? I sat in a church most of my childhood and one thing is for sure, the exclusive message of Christ and my need for Him because of my inherited Sin from Adam was never conveyed. Most sermons didn&#8217;t mention Christ much at all. I went a couple of years ago when I was in MI visiting and the pastor was talking about Christ suffering in Hell and fighting the devil and it was just some pure foolishness. Once again nothing about the Gospel though Christ, Hell and the Devil were the major characters in the sermon. </p>
<p>That is why, though I have been challenged, I am saying we need Reformed Biblical Theology. Why? Because I believe it to be the most faithful to a Christ Centered approach to the scripture versus man and his effort. I am not looking for MDiv, PhD or any type of seminary training, but I do want to see competent men proclaiming the Good News with authority and conviction and that my friend is non-existent. As we go in share in some communities we see that people have been members of churches for years and greatly involved and don&#8217;t have a clue what I mean when I ask them &#8220;what is the Gospel&#8221;. Even if you don&#8217;t believe it if you have spent anytime in a church this should be clear. I am not saying all Reformed church goers are Christians but they should at least understand what the Gospel is and who are the key players (The Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Adam, man and Satan) and how this all fits together. My opinion but this is my conviction.</p>
<p>As it relates to Samaria Christ had to explain to woman at the well by saying &#8220;God will not be worshipped on any mountain&#8221;. Then proceeded to give her the Gospel. This is what are churches should be doing because computers, literacy, college, and lower crime rates still does not deal with the issue of sin, death and judgment. This is our ultimate problem and those can be venues or catalyst to help us build relationships with our communities but if we don&#8217;t give them Christ and Him crucified what we did was worthless in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: djdesignz</title>
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		<dc:creator>djdesignz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samaria is not forgotten, but very much in play! What I've seen and experienced is the opposite. We have quite a few churches in our urban areas, but the ministries are geared to attract the suburbanites and their financial resources. It was even said by one Pastor that the reality is, your support won't come primarily from the community (the hood) in which you exist, but from those you're able to attract from suburban areas.

What's even more interesting is these churches have had little impact in their communities in terms of statistics. Drug sales and gang violence are still rampant. Teenage pregnancy, underemployment and unemployment numbers are largely unaffected. I contend that it's largely due to a desire for "success and growth" which in themselves aren't wrong desires. But many churches have tapped into these "success and growth" formulas which are espoused because they've been tried and proven by these "numbers" driven ministries .

So you're absolutely right in the attitude being this desire to not "mix" classes which could potentially upset the apple cart. But this is not exclusive to some of the suburban churches, it's happening in some of the urban churches as well. Jesus said if HE be lifted up, HE'd draw ALL men. HE (Christ) is the LIGHT of the world. Well in many churches, they do an excellent job of exalting the "lesser" light. Christ is really no longer the draw, it's programming, personalities... even consumer branding! All to draw or attract.

Because for many, success in the church is based upon what society deems as success. In society success is well defined and expressed by tangibles, measurable's, proven formulas which bring about the desired results. But biblically, God time and time again did more with less and it's quite evident that in some circles of the church, quantity has been chosen over quality. In today's economy, Jesus' ministry would be considered a failure purely based upon numbers (quantity). Yet the quality of the numbers is quite evident.

It's really a sad situation when you're in Samaria, yet the Samaritans remain unaffected by your presence.

I Ain't Nobody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samaria is not forgotten, but very much in play! What I&#8217;ve seen and experienced is the opposite. We have quite a few churches in our urban areas, but the ministries are geared to attract the suburbanites and their financial resources. It was even said by one Pastor that the reality is, your support won&#8217;t come primarily from the community (the hood) in which you exist, but from those you&#8217;re able to attract from suburban areas.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more interesting is these churches have had little impact in their communities in terms of statistics. Drug sales and gang violence are still rampant. Teenage pregnancy, underemployment and unemployment numbers are largely unaffected. I contend that it&#8217;s largely due to a desire for &#8220;success and growth&#8221; which in themselves aren&#8217;t wrong desires. But many churches have tapped into these &#8220;success and growth&#8221; formulas which are espoused because they&#8217;ve been tried and proven by these &#8220;numbers&#8221; driven ministries .</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re absolutely right in the attitude being this desire to not &#8220;mix&#8221; classes which could potentially upset the apple cart. But this is not exclusive to some of the suburban churches, it&#8217;s happening in some of the urban churches as well. Jesus said if HE be lifted up, HE&#8217;d draw ALL men. HE (Christ) is the LIGHT of the world. Well in many churches, they do an excellent job of exalting the &#8220;lesser&#8221; light. Christ is really no longer the draw, it&#8217;s programming, personalities&#8230; even consumer branding! All to draw or attract.</p>
<p>Because for many, success in the church is based upon what society deems as success. In society success is well defined and expressed by tangibles, measurable&#8217;s, proven formulas which bring about the desired results. But biblically, God time and time again did more with less and it&#8217;s quite evident that in some circles of the church, quantity has been chosen over quality. In today&#8217;s economy, Jesus&#8217; ministry would be considered a failure purely based upon numbers (quantity). Yet the quality of the numbers is quite evident.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a sad situation when you&#8217;re in Samaria, yet the Samaritans remain unaffected by your presence.</p>
<p>I Ain&#8217;t Nobody!</p>
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