The website is a tremendous upgrade, from the former.

And this subject, has been handled well by you. The repsonses are insightful and predictable.

Across the nation we are engaged in a battle of ideas and priorties, Values and how to get them implimented into society. Hagels dialiectical process, is at work.

” Thesis vs antitheis = synthesis” or compromise

It is so abundantly clear that, different temperaments and character traits of persons, as those visiting your cite, will always vote, in oopsition to the others, and seemingly beyond the concept of, voting according to biblical convictions.

As I stated in a bible study last week, among a group of predominately African Americans, if Obama gets in I will support him, insofar as the office of president goes.

But, it is impossible to support His policies, or anyone else, once I know that their convictions spack totally against the plain truth of scripture, and especially in so critical of areas.
Abortion/ homosexuality/and the way to God. Which when you search the scriptures, are not really distinctly different issues. Rom1 – James4

It really does boils down to two cultures- one of life, and one of death.

I cannot vote, against the truth! And know it.

“I by no means affiliate with any party and didnt’ even vote last year due to niether of the candidates being worthy of my time. I was choosing between worse and worser. So I didn’t vote for Bush in the last election and I can’t say who I will vote for this year. It will be difficult, but no I am not of any paticular party other than that of Christ.”

Cool beans, Brah. (if interested, you could always go with someone from the U.S Constitution Party, as their platform has always seemed to be the most Biblical…and they were the party I voted for when I was having the same battles you were having between voting for worse or worser):

Also, definately feel you on being apart of no paticular party other than that of Christ….cause Christ wasn’t apart of one anyhow. And in any case, as He told Pilate, whoever was in charge was there due to divine mandate.

To Ms (or Mrs) Denise: I really liked what you stated when you said, ” when we look too closely at everything they did when they were a [senator, governor, dog catcher] we start to form opinions about them that may shatter once they get the reins. Not saying we shouldn’t look at anything about them, just be mindful that they are mere humans, and they need our prayers if/when they do take office. I think it’s best to pray and ask God to oversee the whole election process and help us to properly pray for whomever He puts in.

On that last point, I’d like to ask if perhaps there’s a hint of fatalism to the election process? And that even with examining the men ahead of time or even praying ahead of time, that some things might me “fixed”?

To clarify, God is all-powerful and all-knowing. That’s what it means to be Sovereign….

Just as God moved in the heart of Cyrus, so that his decree fulfilled the prophecies of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:8-12; Jeremiah 27:21-22; Jeremiah 29:10-14 )and Isaiah, with Cyrus being God’s servant (Isaiah 44:28-45:9 ), as well as Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 25:9),….or even with Joseph in Egypt/having the support of unbelieving pharoah, so I believe the same’s possible today.

It’s not wrong to vote….and nothing wrong with wishing to vote 4 men holding to our convictions or who’ll stand up for JUSTICE OR seeking to promote a government that does RIGHTEOUSNESS. That’s Biblical….

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/should_christians.htm

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/civil_disobedience_bible.htm

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/if_my_people.htm

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/biblical_principles.htm

Nonetheless, in my understanding, the fact remains that ULTIMATELY God places men into power (despite how many of them were unbelievers, held stances he hated, and yet were used by Him for His Purposes—-whether it be DISPENCING GRACE OR WRATH), ….

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=256
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=4040

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=125
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=819
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=256
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=113030

And in the case that a bad man gets elected and perhaps accelerates the sins WE’VE CHOSEN to the point of destruction, wouldn’t be surprised.

As Brother Lionel said, Do you think a nation who gives God the middle finger as a whole can expect anything other than his wrath?

“For the nation or kingdom that will not serve You will perish, it will be utterly ruined”. Isaiah 60:12

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord …” Psalm 33:12
Psalm 144

2. I believe prayer and evangelism is the only answer to all of the world woes; however, I can easily say the poor pedophile was raped as a kid and he can’t help it either. I agree it is a sin of selfishness but so is the thief and the rapist. They want what they want and they want it now. I don’t know if anyone getting an abortion is a victim (unless they were raped). No one is clueless about the consequences of premarital sex. I do think we are to be gracious to those who have had them in the past and very stern on those on their way to abort.

So yes we pray, we love, and we open our churches and lives to those who have fallen into the sin of sexual immorality and now have a life growing inside of them. I think our churches are way to judgmental and abrasive to young pregnant women and those are the ones I would definitely consider victims. We are to be a venue of grace and love and sometimes we are worse and colder than the world (referring to the universal church).

I by no means affiliate with any party and didnt’ even vote last year due to niether of the candidates being worthy of my time. I was choosing between worse and worser. So I didn’t vote for Bush in the last election and I can’t say who I will vote for this year. It will be difficult, but no I am not of any paticular party other than that of Christ.