Comments on: Dr. Tony Evans Teaches on Generational Curses!!!!!!!!!!!! http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/ "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises." Hebrews 8:6 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: givenmercy http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-6254 givenmercy Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:30 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-6254 cpeeze, What a bondage to think that one must confess each and every sin one has ever commited in order to be free from the curse of that sin! That says that Christ dying for my sins was not enough, that I must now somehow add to the work of Christ. i suggest you take a good look at Romans chapter 4 and you will read that God no longer imputes our sins unto us. The word impute in the Greek speaks to an accounting for. Remember when the publican prayed in the temple "God be merciful to me a sinner!"; Jesus said it was this man who went down to his house justified before God. This doctrine of generational curses is contrary to all that is taught in the New Testament. It basically has it's roots in paganism. Hindus teach that karma (what you did in a past life) is the cause of what is bad in your life and now generational curses say that the bad in our lives is because of what our ancestors did in their past lives. Baloney! cpeeze,
What a bondage to think that one must confess each and every sin one has ever commited in order to be free from the curse of that sin! That says that Christ dying for my sins was not enough, that I must now somehow add to the work of Christ. i suggest you take a good look at Romans chapter 4 and you will read that God no longer imputes our sins unto us. The word impute in the Greek speaks to an accounting for. Remember when the publican prayed in the temple “God be merciful to me a sinner!”; Jesus said it was this man who went down to his house justified before God.
This doctrine of generational curses is contrary to all that is taught in the New Testament. It basically has it’s roots in paganism. Hindus teach that karma (what you did in a past life) is the cause of what is bad in your life and now generational curses say that the bad in our lives is because of what our ancestors did in their past lives. Baloney!

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By: DonaldH http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5951 DonaldH Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:48:33 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5951 Under that horrible eisegesis who then can be saved? Let alone break the curse? It sounds worse than Word Faith Theology (although they have used that exact paradigm)! The only way out is that one needs Evans and those like him to be their "cursebreaker", which will lead to one "sowing a seed" (money) into their ministry (pocket). I said about 10 years ago that when T.D. Jakes was blowing up and Tony was losing members (from 10k to 5k), that instead of trusting the Lord, he would emulate what they (Word Faithers) were doing, and it started with his relationship with Ken Ulmer at a time when Ken needed to be rebuked. Under that horrible eisegesis who then can be saved? Let alone break the curse? It sounds worse than Word Faith Theology (although they have used that exact paradigm)!

The only way out is that one needs Evans and those like him to be their “cursebreaker”, which will lead to one “sowing a seed” (money) into their ministry (pocket).

I said about 10 years ago that when T.D. Jakes was blowing up and Tony was losing members (from 10k to 5k), that instead of trusting the Lord, he would emulate what they (Word Faithers) were doing, and it started with his relationship with Ken Ulmer at a time when Ken needed to be rebuked.

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5946 lionelwoods7 Sun, 31 May 2009 16:21:21 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5946 Cpeeze, Can you please provide me and others whom you are "slandering" with some New Testament exegesis of a generational curse and please I need you to exegete the text I provided on Christ becoming a curse for us and we no longer being under ANY type of curse. Not only that show me one text where a "generational" curse is on any believers anywhere in the bible. You provide a bunch of jargon with no scriptural support. Not to mention in Romans 6 it is CLEAR that we "are no longer slaves to sin" and that all "who are in Christ" has been freed from sin! So this "confessing" stuff does not prove to be biblical but anti-bible! Thanks and please don't return with more jargon but with biblical support, and really New Testament support of such a curse and needed to confession to be freed! Cpeeze,

Can you please provide me and others whom you are “slandering” with some New Testament exegesis of a generational curse and please I need you to exegete the text I provided on Christ becoming a curse for us and we no longer being under ANY type of curse. Not only that show me one text where a “generational” curse is on any believers anywhere in the bible. You provide a bunch of jargon with no scriptural support. Not to mention in Romans 6 it is CLEAR that we “are no longer slaves to sin” and that all “who are in Christ” has been freed from sin! So this “confessing” stuff does not prove to be biblical but anti-bible! Thanks and please don’t return with more jargon but with biblical support, and really New Testament support of such a curse and needed to confession to be freed!

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By: cpeeze http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5945 cpeeze Sun, 31 May 2009 01:56:58 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5945 Hello. I would like to greet you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Let me start off by saying I do believe in generational curses. What I have gathered from reading the comments above is that first off, there is confusion over the word "curse". In the old testament, to be cursed, was to be powerless under the negative consequences of the spiritual realm. (one of the many examples is Joshua Ch. 7 where the sin of Achan cursed Israel and killed his family) Now lets fast-forward to the New Testament and modern times. Being cursed still means to be under the negative consequenes of the spiritual realm, but we are no longer powerless. Jesus' blood frees us, although curses still exist, and are unfortunately successful. I compare this to the closely related example of Christ death freeing our bondage to sin. Although we (christians) are freed, many of us are still slaves to sin because we are unaware of our freedom in Christ and have failed to acknowledge and confess our sin. In this way, Christ blood did not do away with generational curses, however it is all we need to overcome them. Once a person becomes saved they have all they need to overcome a generational curse, but I believe they still have to acknowledge it and bring it before the Lord, much like we must do with sin. 19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself” This passage, when taken in context (read the whole chapter is referring to the direct consequences of sin. (v. 30 I will judge everyone according to his ways). Whatever YOU do, YOU will be judged for, no one else. Understood. Lets us not confuse this with generational curses. Again I define someone who is cursed as being 'under the negative consequences of the spiritual realm'. BASED ON EZEKIEL 18 (all verses), A father will be judged for his own sins. The son will not be judged for sins committed by the father, only his own. A GENERATIONAL CURSE DOES NOT CHANGE OR INTERFERE WITH THIS TRUTH. A GENERATIONAL CURSE, WHEN PRESENT, INCLINES THE SON TO STRUGGLE IN THE AREAS THE FATHER STRUGGLED. ALTHOUGH THE SON'S ACTIONS ARE HIS OWN, HE WILL HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH THE SAME TYPES OF SINS AS HIS FATHER, BECAUSE HIS FATHER'S SIN WAS BLATANT AND IGNORED; NEVER BROUGHT BEFORE THE LORD AND CONFESSED. THAT IS A GENERATIONAL CURSE. The son will have to acknowledge the curse and bring it before the Lord, so that Jesus' blood can provide atonement. JESUS BLOOD DOES NOT REMOVE THE PRESENCE OF CURSES, JUST AS IT DOES NOT REMOVE THE PRESENCE OF SIN. HOWEVER, IT IS ALL WE NEED TO OVERCOME THEM BOTH, PROVIDED WE ASK. Sin and generational curses are closely related, as I stated earlier, because generational curses come from sin that has been undealt with. Just as Adam's sinful nature was passed down to all generations after, consequences are passed down to later generations when sin is blatant and ignored. That is why as african americans, so many evils are prevalent in because as a people, we have many sins that are blatant and ignored. I know you all know what I am talking about. That is why the majority of our youth are fatherless and statistically at a disadvantage. Caucasians have generational curses as well (racism, suicide, etc.) These must be addressed. On a final note, slandering Dr. Evans is incredibly inmature and counter-productive to the Body of Christ. Seperate your major doctrines from your minor doctrines. Dr. Evans is a believer and is doing Christ work. His major doctrines are accurate, as he believes in Christ blood and resurrection. He is teaching the gospel in neighborhoods where no one else will go, to much avail. So to slander him on his minor doctrines is ungodly and devisive. I am by no means saying that he is correct in his dealing with others of questionable integrity. He is a man, who is a sinner like everyone else, and susceptible to satan's attacks. What I am saying is that we are in no position to judge him; he will be judged by the father when the time comes for his actions. Us slandering a believer does not benefit the body at all. And his teachings on generational curses are accurate... In Christ cpeeze Hello. I would like to greet you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Let me start off by saying I do believe in generational curses. What I have gathered from reading the comments above is that first off, there is confusion over the word “curse”. In the old testament, to be cursed, was to be powerless under the negative consequences of the spiritual realm. (one of the many examples is Joshua Ch. 7 where the sin of Achan cursed Israel and killed his family) Now lets fast-forward to the New Testament and modern times. Being cursed still means to be under the negative consequenes of the spiritual realm, but we are no longer powerless. Jesus’ blood frees us, although curses still exist, and are unfortunately successful.
I compare this to the closely related example of Christ death freeing our bondage to sin. Although we (christians) are freed, many of us are still slaves to sin because we are unaware of our freedom in Christ and have failed to acknowledge and confess our sin. In this way, Christ blood did not do away with generational curses, however it is all we need to overcome them. Once a person becomes saved they have all they need to overcome a generational curse, but I believe they still have to acknowledge it and bring it before the Lord, much like we must do with sin.

19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself”

This passage, when taken in context (read the whole chapter is referring to the direct consequences of sin. (v. 30 I will judge everyone according to his ways). Whatever YOU do, YOU will be judged for, no one else. Understood. Lets us not confuse this with generational curses. Again I define someone who is cursed as being ‘under the negative consequences of the spiritual realm’. BASED ON EZEKIEL 18 (all verses), A father will be judged for his own sins. The son will not be judged for sins committed by the father, only his own. A GENERATIONAL CURSE DOES NOT CHANGE OR INTERFERE WITH THIS TRUTH. A GENERATIONAL CURSE, WHEN PRESENT, INCLINES THE SON TO STRUGGLE IN THE AREAS THE FATHER STRUGGLED. ALTHOUGH THE SON’S ACTIONS ARE HIS OWN, HE WILL HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH THE SAME TYPES OF SINS AS HIS FATHER, BECAUSE HIS FATHER’S SIN WAS BLATANT AND IGNORED; NEVER BROUGHT BEFORE THE LORD AND CONFESSED. THAT IS A GENERATIONAL CURSE. The son will have to acknowledge the curse and bring it before the Lord, so that Jesus’ blood can provide atonement.

JESUS BLOOD DOES NOT REMOVE THE PRESENCE OF CURSES, JUST AS IT DOES NOT REMOVE THE PRESENCE OF SIN. HOWEVER, IT IS ALL WE NEED TO OVERCOME THEM BOTH, PROVIDED WE ASK.

Sin and generational curses are closely related, as I stated earlier, because generational curses come from sin that has been undealt with. Just as Adam’s sinful nature was passed down to all generations after, consequences are passed down to later generations when sin is blatant and ignored. That is why as african americans, so many evils are prevalent in because as a people, we have many sins that are blatant and ignored. I know you all know what I am talking about. That is why the majority of our youth are fatherless and statistically at a disadvantage. Caucasians have generational curses as well (racism, suicide, etc.) These must be addressed.

On a final note, slandering Dr. Evans is incredibly inmature and counter-productive to the Body of Christ. Seperate your major doctrines from your minor doctrines. Dr. Evans is a believer and is doing Christ work. His major doctrines are accurate, as he believes in Christ blood and resurrection. He is teaching the gospel in neighborhoods where no one else will go, to much avail. So to slander him on his minor doctrines is ungodly and devisive. I am by no means saying that he is correct in his dealing with others of questionable integrity. He is a man, who is a sinner like everyone else, and susceptible to satan’s attacks. What I am saying is that we are in no position to judge him; he will be judged by the father when the time comes for his actions. Us slandering a believer does not benefit the body at all. And his teachings on generational curses are accurate…

In Christ
cpeeze

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By: lionelwoods7 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5891 lionelwoods7 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:51:44 +0000 http://blackandreformedministries.com/2008/01/04/dr-tony-evans-teaches-on-generational-curses/#comment-5891 The problem Barryboy is that we don't agree on the extent of the atonment. The atonement that I believe in removes all of the curses! Does yours? Anyone who embraces some form of generational curse in the same vein does not recognize the fullness of the new covenant, that makes us a new creation, with new hearts, adopted into a new family. If you think this isn't important, go to a church where people are at the "alter" trying to be delievered from some curse. The scriptures says "Christ became a curse for us"! So this isn't semantics friend this is a deadly doctrine that robs the saints of the fullness of the New Covenant and all Christ purchased for them. The problem Barryboy is that we don’t agree on the extent of the atonment. The atonement that I believe in removes all of the curses! Does yours? Anyone who embraces some form of generational curse in the same vein does not recognize the fullness of the new covenant, that makes us a new creation, with new hearts, adopted into a new family.

If you think this isn’t important, go to a church where people are at the “alter” trying to be delievered from some curse. The scriptures says “Christ became a curse for us”! So this isn’t semantics friend this is a deadly doctrine that robs the saints of the fullness of the New Covenant and all Christ purchased for them.

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