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	<title>Comments on: The Black and Reformed Christian’s Dilemma</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Turner</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2007/11/27/the-black-and-reformed-christian%e2%80%99s-dilemma/#comment-3849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have this as an experience.  I actually embace the Doctrines of Grace while attending a church that isn't reformed and all white.  I first became a member of this church because of its sound theology.  However, as I became reformed I wanted a reformed experience and my wife and I began to feel out of place mostly from a cultural standpoint.  

The great thing is a new church plant was opened close to the downtown Dallas area that I was closley tied to and now I am part of the leadership staff.  We are reformed in our doctrine and the staff is diverse.  We are very small congregation but we preach expositionally.  

The black reformed christians have slim pickings, but pray that God plant more that we can attend.  Keep doing your thing Lionel, love the site bro...

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have this as an experience.  I actually embace the Doctrines of Grace while attending a church that isn&#8217;t reformed and all white.  I first became a member of this church because of its sound theology.  However, as I became reformed I wanted a reformed experience and my wife and I began to feel out of place mostly from a cultural standpoint.  </p>
<p>The great thing is a new church plant was opened close to the downtown Dallas area that I was closley tied to and now I am part of the leadership staff.  We are reformed in our doctrine and the staff is diverse.  We are very small congregation but we preach expositionally.  </p>
<p>The black reformed christians have slim pickings, but pray that God plant more that we can attend.  Keep doing your thing Lionel, love the site bro&#8230;</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: JulianofGod</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2007/11/27/the-black-and-reformed-christian%e2%80%99s-dilemma/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>JulianofGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me say that I am grateful to God for you Christian brothers who are looking to increase the "Reformed Black Church".  I have in recent years done a lot of what you all have done.  Currently we attend a PCA church in AZ.  The pastor is an awesome caucasian brother.   The majority of the people that attend seem to be good hearted people (and yes they are all white).  I just found out the other day I would be moving to Texas soon, but when I looked for reformed churches in the area (Wichita Falls), none of them appeared to be "black" or have at least a good mix.  I was hoping that since we were going to Texas there might be one (that was truly mixed) so that (and this is mainly for the children) they could grow up in a church with diversity.  Who knows, maybe God will allow me to do some things for him there (as far as pastoring is concerned).  I fully understand the dillemma that you wrote about in your article.  I did the same on my blog speaking about the problems in the "black" and "white" church.  Hopefully I provided some answers and if not, at least point some areas that could be positively affected.  Be blessed brothers, I feel there are more of us coming around to embrace the truth in Christ through the reformed faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me say that I am grateful to God for you Christian brothers who are looking to increase the &#8220;Reformed Black Church&#8221;.  I have in recent years done a lot of what you all have done.  Currently we attend a PCA church in AZ.  The pastor is an awesome caucasian brother.   The majority of the people that attend seem to be good hearted people (and yes they are all white).  I just found out the other day I would be moving to Texas soon, but when I looked for reformed churches in the area (Wichita Falls), none of them appeared to be &#8220;black&#8221; or have at least a good mix.  I was hoping that since we were going to Texas there might be one (that was truly mixed) so that (and this is mainly for the children) they could grow up in a church with diversity.  Who knows, maybe God will allow me to do some things for him there (as far as pastoring is concerned).  I fully understand the dillemma that you wrote about in your article.  I did the same on my blog speaking about the problems in the &#8220;black&#8221; and &#8220;white&#8221; church.  Hopefully I provided some answers and if not, at least point some areas that could be positively affected.  Be blessed brothers, I feel there are more of us coming around to embrace the truth in Christ through the reformed faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyris Sr.</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2007/11/27/the-black-and-reformed-christian%e2%80%99s-dilemma/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyris Sr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI Lionel, NehemiahPaul is Gerald here in KC and not Nate in Omaha. Glad to hear us looking for a solution with the dilema. Hopefully our work is not in vain and something will be thought of to get some Biblical solutions to these issues. Lord's Blessing to all. In Christ Alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI Lionel, NehemiahPaul is Gerald here in KC and not Nate in Omaha. Glad to hear us looking for a solution with the dilema. Hopefully our work is not in vain and something will be thought of to get some Biblical solutions to these issues. Lord&#8217;s Blessing to all. In Christ Alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Job</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2007/11/27/the-black-and-reformed-christian%e2%80%99s-dilemma/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first time participating in this form. I am very sorry to sound so strident, but you leave me little choice!

"For a lot of the Reformed churches I recommend that they raise up black leaders within their congregation and that they purposely seek them out for Eldership candidacy." How are they going to do that if people like YOU "I have chosen the path of least resistance as it stands for now. I belong to a predominately black church which is a Bible Church."

For the record, I happen to be black. I work at a company that is 90% nonblack, and am frequently in situations where I am the only black person in the room. That is not unusual of course, so do the vast majority of blacks. So why do we put up with it when it is "outside our comfort level", especially when the whites at our jobs are not saved? Because we do not have  a choice. Either we go into the white man's world to make money, or we go unemployed. You know, there are some brothers who actually do refuse to gain legitimate work because they don't want to work for the white man and his racist system that oppresses us. Or at least they claim to. Now of course I cannot advocate that for the Bible says that the man that does not work shall not eat, but at least these people are consistent.

But the fact that so many blacks have no problem going to the white man's workplace FOR FORTY HOURS OR MORE EACH WEEK because we desire the MONEY and PRESTIGE that THEIR JOBS PROVIDE US but when it comes to going to the white man's church EIGHT HOURS A WEEK OR LESS, we want to talk about being in our comfort zone and being culturally respected. If we will sacrifice our racial identity chasing that dollar bill, why not do it for God? Now come on, maybe these lily white Reformed churches have members and even some pastors that have a bit of the stain of racism in their hearts (and since that is the case please acknowledge that I John says that the man who says that he is without sin is a liar and James said that we should confess our faults to one another meaning that we do indeed have faults to confess, and no I John and James were not written to sinners but to CHRISTIANS WHO SIN), but at least they are not doing some of the wicked evil things that you KNOW these corporations are doing. 

This is not to say that all Christians should quit their jobs because we work for companies that make money off war, oppress the poor, promote immorality in the culture, and do all other sorts of wicked things, but we should not pretend that working at a company like that - which describes most of them unless you are fortunate enough to work for a small family owned business or similar -  is somehow better than having to sit next to someone who doesn't want someone that looks like you living in their neighborhood or dating their daughter for a few weeks. The difference is that you can work for that evil company for 50 years and it will still be evil, because the vast majority of the people that run and work for that company are not born again, but by fellowshipping with the white man that has the stain of racism in his heart God will either use your presence to A) deliver him from that wickedness if he is born again or B) drive him off from that church because he is offended by your presence if he is not (addition by subtraction!). 

That truly is a revealing statement of where our priorities are, what we truly value, and what is first in our lives. In order to get a job and make money, we put up with the white man. But in order to go worship God, we put up with "the richness of the Reformed position are not preached as much as I would like." Black Christians, White Christians, Jewish Christians, Asian Christians, Hispanic Christians, blind and deaf Christians, hermaphrodite Christians (yes they do exist) need to get to where we are willing to sacrifice ALL for the faith just as Jesus Christ sacrificed for us despite being worth so much more than all of us put together, and that means being willing to get over our cultural chauvinism and rubbing some elbows with folks that we are uncomfortable with and that are uncomfortable with us. Simeon Niger (which means Simeon the Black) did it in Acts 13:1. As far as we know, it was just him, Lucius of Cyrene, and a bunch of Greeks and Jews at Antioch. The same with "the black dwarf" Athanasius. Were there any other blacks at the great victory of Christianity over Arianism at the Council of Nicea other than he? I have a write - up about the brother here: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/interesting-that-we-do-not-study-athanasius-during-black-history-month/

Now the thing is that I found this entry when doing an Internet search looking for videos from black Reformed pastors to put on my weblog ... the only videos that I have so far are from white guys like R.C. Sproul, D. James Kennedy, and Chuck Baldwin. So then, maybe YOU can solve this problem for me one day. I hope to return here in a couple of years and see where you have joined that white Reformed Church and yourself become an elder. Again, sorry that I was so harsh, but I did not know of any other way to express myself.

May the blessings of Jesus Christ be upon you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first time participating in this form. I am very sorry to sound so strident, but you leave me little choice!</p>
<p>&#8220;For a lot of the Reformed churches I recommend that they raise up black leaders within their congregation and that they purposely seek them out for Eldership candidacy.&#8221; How are they going to do that if people like YOU &#8220;I have chosen the path of least resistance as it stands for now. I belong to a predominately black church which is a Bible Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the record, I happen to be black. I work at a company that is 90% nonblack, and am frequently in situations where I am the only black person in the room. That is not unusual of course, so do the vast majority of blacks. So why do we put up with it when it is &#8220;outside our comfort level&#8221;, especially when the whites at our jobs are not saved? Because we do not have  a choice. Either we go into the white man&#8217;s world to make money, or we go unemployed. You know, there are some brothers who actually do refuse to gain legitimate work because they don&#8217;t want to work for the white man and his racist system that oppresses us. Or at least they claim to. Now of course I cannot advocate that for the Bible says that the man that does not work shall not eat, but at least these people are consistent.</p>
<p>But the fact that so many blacks have no problem going to the white man&#8217;s workplace FOR FORTY HOURS OR MORE EACH WEEK because we desire the MONEY and PRESTIGE that THEIR JOBS PROVIDE US but when it comes to going to the white man&#8217;s church EIGHT HOURS A WEEK OR LESS, we want to talk about being in our comfort zone and being culturally respected. If we will sacrifice our racial identity chasing that dollar bill, why not do it for God? Now come on, maybe these lily white Reformed churches have members and even some pastors that have a bit of the stain of racism in their hearts (and since that is the case please acknowledge that I John says that the man who says that he is without sin is a liar and James said that we should confess our faults to one another meaning that we do indeed have faults to confess, and no I John and James were not written to sinners but to CHRISTIANS WHO SIN), but at least they are not doing some of the wicked evil things that you KNOW these corporations are doing. </p>
<p>This is not to say that all Christians should quit their jobs because we work for companies that make money off war, oppress the poor, promote immorality in the culture, and do all other sorts of wicked things, but we should not pretend that working at a company like that - which describes most of them unless you are fortunate enough to work for a small family owned business or similar -  is somehow better than having to sit next to someone who doesn&#8217;t want someone that looks like you living in their neighborhood or dating their daughter for a few weeks. The difference is that you can work for that evil company for 50 years and it will still be evil, because the vast majority of the people that run and work for that company are not born again, but by fellowshipping with the white man that has the stain of racism in his heart God will either use your presence to A) deliver him from that wickedness if he is born again or B) drive him off from that church because he is offended by your presence if he is not (addition by subtraction!). </p>
<p>That truly is a revealing statement of where our priorities are, what we truly value, and what is first in our lives. In order to get a job and make money, we put up with the white man. But in order to go worship God, we put up with &#8220;the richness of the Reformed position are not preached as much as I would like.&#8221; Black Christians, White Christians, Jewish Christians, Asian Christians, Hispanic Christians, blind and deaf Christians, hermaphrodite Christians (yes they do exist) need to get to where we are willing to sacrifice ALL for the faith just as Jesus Christ sacrificed for us despite being worth so much more than all of us put together, and that means being willing to get over our cultural chauvinism and rubbing some elbows with folks that we are uncomfortable with and that are uncomfortable with us. Simeon Niger (which means Simeon the Black) did it in Acts 13:1. As far as we know, it was just him, Lucius of Cyrene, and a bunch of Greeks and Jews at Antioch. The same with &#8220;the black dwarf&#8221; Athanasius. Were there any other blacks at the great victory of Christianity over Arianism at the Council of Nicea other than he? I have a write - up about the brother here: <a href="http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/interesting-that-we-do-not-study-athanasius-during-black-history-month/" rel="nofollow">http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/interesting-that-we-do-not-study-athanasius-during-black-history-month/</a></p>
<p>Now the thing is that I found this entry when doing an Internet search looking for videos from black Reformed pastors to put on my weblog &#8230; the only videos that I have so far are from white guys like R.C. Sproul, D. James Kennedy, and Chuck Baldwin. So then, maybe YOU can solve this problem for me one day. I hope to return here in a couple of years and see where you have joined that white Reformed Church and yourself become an elder. Again, sorry that I was so harsh, but I did not know of any other way to express myself.</p>
<p>May the blessings of Jesus Christ be upon you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Woods</title>
		<link>http://blackandreformedministries.com/2007/11/27/the-black-and-reformed-christian%e2%80%99s-dilemma/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionel Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to find out why the guy left Pastor Lance. I used to believe there were no Reformed Blacks alive until God sovereignly introduced me to Anthony Carter via his book, then I checked his blog and you guys were on there, then I went to Council of Reforming Churches and wahlah! Thus the idea for this site became a reality. I pray that Reformed Theology would ignite a passion for the Sovereingty of God and classical theological readings. Don't know what God is going to do but it is going to be fun. 

I am now praying for the same type of Chruch in the Metroplex. Though I go to a solid church, I would love to sin in a fully reformed Chruch (that is predominately black). You know Texas has had its share of problems anyway.  I would like to say, thanks for what you do! Thanks for being faithful to the scriptures and desiring his glory over the riches of this world. God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to find out why the guy left Pastor Lance. I used to believe there were no Reformed Blacks alive until God sovereignly introduced me to Anthony Carter via his book, then I checked his blog and you guys were on there, then I went to Council of Reforming Churches and wahlah! Thus the idea for this site became a reality. I pray that Reformed Theology would ignite a passion for the Sovereingty of God and classical theological readings. Don&#8217;t know what God is going to do but it is going to be fun. </p>
<p>I am now praying for the same type of Chruch in the Metroplex. Though I go to a solid church, I would love to sin in a fully reformed Chruch (that is predominately black). You know Texas has had its share of problems anyway.  I would like to say, thanks for what you do! Thanks for being faithful to the scriptures and desiring his glory over the riches of this world. God bless.</p>
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